We start this morning with a chat with Alexander Dunlap about his article End the green delusions: industrial scale -renewable energy is fossil fuel plus.

Followup with a critque of his article and the film Planet of the Humans by  a fellow 3cr broadcaster from Friday Breakfast Zane Alcorn.

In the final half hour of the program we actually will return to these issues but from a particularly Australian perspective with a word from Kate Lee from Apheda - Union Aid Abroad and Trevor Gaul - National Policy Research Officer for the Electrial Trade Union. They were part of a zoom forum co-hosted by the Search Foundation starring Professor Sean Sweeney called Energy Democracy and Energy Ownership in the context of the Corona Crisis and are part of an international group called Trade Unions for Energy Democracry.