This week we hear from two activists involved in the Homes not Prisons campaign, Amy and Karen, interviewed by Carly Baque on Thursday Breakfast. The campaign initiated by the advocacy service for criminalised women in Victoria, Flat Out, aims to stop the $188.9 million expansion of Dame Phyllis Frost women's prison in Melbourne's west and invest in public housing.  We hear Amy tell her story of the devastating impact of punitive bail laws contributing to her being incarcerated. A note for listeners: this episode includes descriptions of domestic violence. You can sign their open letter here.