In this episode we hear from Govind and Adrian, who are parents to the beautiful Jasmine, who they welcomed through surrogacy. They walk us through their journey, from the decision to welcome a child into their family, to finding and travelling to their surrogate, the international breast milk network that fed Jasmine for a year, and their reflections now that Jasmine is a toddler. They provide listeners with tips and guidance, and a lot of food for thought about the process of surrogacy as a whole.

Adrian and Govind are an intercultural queer couple who reflect in uplifting and moving ways, on their quest to become parents. A journey of self discovery, they come to learn about themselves and the world as they discover if they are destined to receive the biggest gift of their lives. You can read more about them and their adventure in their book Without Expecting.