We were delighted to welcome Indonesian anti-corruption activist and teacher, Todung Mulya Lubis, online from Indonesia, onto the show this week. For many decades, Todung has committed his life to talking about the truth, in his idealistic and fearless way, about corruption in his homeland of Indonesia. Todung studied law and human rights at university and worked for Indonesian Legal Aid. In this conversation we learn some things about the modern political history of Indonesia, including the role of the military, political parties and the 32-year Suharto regime. We come to understand Todung's analysis of Indonesia's political system as a dynasty of cronies and what corruption means there. Todung identifies two forms of corruption: grand and state-capture. Both affect the way contracts are organised and are both an abuse and misuse of power. In this environment, what are Todung's hopes for Indonesia's future? Be sure to take a look at Todung's recently published book War on Corruption. An Indonesian Experience, published by Melbourne University Press. We thank Todung so much for joining us on the show this week.

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