Jennifer talks with Mark Zirnsak from the Tax Justice Network Australia about wellbeing budgeting as championed by the Treasurer, Jim Chalmers. They discuss the questions: What is a wellbeing budget?, and To what extent is the latest federal budget a wellbeing budget?

Aspects of the budget that come under scrutiny include tax breaks for the wealthy (known as Stage 3 tax cuts), and Centrelink payments that remain way below the poverty level.

Overall, there is a danger that genuine efforts to budget for people's needs, while safeguarding planetary health, may be sidetracked by an obsession with measurement rather than the required shift in values.