Iris is joined in the studio by Emma Russell and Miranda Gibson to talk police and prison abolition. Emma has written extensively on criticisms of the police in criminology. Miranda is a part of the LGBTIQ+ prisoner support newsletter, Inside Out. They both are part of the Abolitionist and Transformative Justice Centre (ATJC).

Here's some links to things mentioned in the podcast. You can find more information and a petition to change the Penpal ban in Victoria here. You can support CJ Palmer here. You can find out about about Sisters Inside's Imagining Abolition conference here. You can find Flat Out here.